tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post6159638446113049518..comments2024-03-13T21:05:01.752+00:00Comments on Justice For Jimmy Savile: Savile accuser stands trial Rabbitawayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07481932585279733096noreply@blogger.comBlogger87125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-53526102484124976652017-04-20T17:02:10.819+01:002017-04-20T17:02:10.819+01:00Rabbitaway
I wouldn't recommend buying it, as...Rabbitaway<br /><br />I wouldn't recommend buying it, as I did, unless you are interested in "the research" in the field of memory. I skipped a lot of it because I am more interested in the bizarre human behaviour that now passes for normal and which "the research" doesn't seem to have noticed, although she does discuss the famous Solomon Asch experiment on peer pressure.<br /><br />You can probably get a good summary for free on YouTube. I came across her on a German video but I noticed English language ones in passing. Opinion there is split between those smitten by her beauty and those who dismiss her for the same reason.Sean Colemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-2553475087034802822017-04-19T22:31:09.140+01:002017-04-19T22:31:09.140+01:00Sean - must be Julia Shaw 'the memory illusion...Sean - must be Julia Shaw 'the memory illusion' you are reading. Must check it out. Thank you for that ! Rabbitawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07481932585279733096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-71950503878233224922017-04-19T04:45:33.244+01:002017-04-19T04:45:33.244+01:00"For example, I was astonished by Trump's..."For example, I was astonished by Trump's recent missile attack on Syria, which earned him praise from the hitherto critical Irish press. You can't explain irrational behaviour rationally."<br /><br />Not just from the Irish press. In fact, the contortions of the Democratic media commentariat and blogopshere in general were hilarious to behold. Initially, they grudgingly approved of the attack. Then, when it became clear that Trump had forewarned Russia (in the full knowledge that the forewarning would be passed onto Russia's Syrian allies), they reverted to 'Trump is a Putin puppet!!' mode - so they found themselves in the rather odd ethical position of disapproving of because it didn't kill enough people! tdfhttp://rabbitaway.blogspot.ie/2017/04/savile-accuser-stands-trial.html#comment-formnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-79967020998436209602017-04-18T21:15:54.597+01:002017-04-18T21:15:54.597+01:00Rabbit, I believe Shaw's account about her exp...Rabbit, I believe Shaw's account about her experiment in implanting false memories. I think it is a 70% not 60% success rate. She used student volunteers and found out personal information from friends and families, which she used to convince her volunteers that they had done or experienced things that never happened. As she says, she is not the first to do this but fair play to her anyway.<br /><br />Shaw is aware of the implications of this in criminal investigations and she in fact devotes a whole chapter to it ("Tooky Pulled My Pants Down"). She is even aware of Richard Webster and refers to his book debunking Freud.<br /><br />So it is all good really. Yet she seems to miss the essential nature of what is happening (or at least as I understand it). I think, for example, she says that, of course, most allegations about sexual abuse are true, and her observations relate to unreliable memories rather than mad delusions, mass delusions, a tsunami of deceit and our alarming world of mass fantasies. (That's *my* view, at least!)<br /><br />For example, I was astonished by Trump's recent missile attack on Syria, which earned him praise from the hitherto critical Irish press. You can't explain irrational behaviour rationally.<br /><br />Sean Colemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771106855633991406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-49404525347330471852017-04-15T23:14:02.965+01:002017-04-15T23:14:02.965+01:00^ Cheers, Bandini.
Do you mind if I ask you a q...^ Cheers, Bandini. <br /><br />Do you mind if I ask you a question....I'm trying to get my own thoughts together in my own mind, tbh....in your view, was the PMQ of the current deputy head of the Labour Party badly worded, or deliberately cynical? tdfhttp://rabbitaway.blogspot.ie/2017/04/savile-accuser-stands-trial.html#comment-formnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-2781011823568609192017-04-15T21:58:39.532+01:002017-04-15T21:58:39.532+01:00Apology accepted & appreciated, TDF. Water und...Apology accepted & appreciated, TDF. Water under the bridge and all that... onwards!Bandinihttp://rabbitaway.blogspot.com.es/2015/07/jersey-girls.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-430053853089135252017-04-15T21:12:14.595+01:002017-04-15T21:12:14.595+01:00No takers, so far, for my post on the offshore blo...No takers, so far, for my post on the offshore blog - either from the blog owner, the former minister, or the Irish retired civil servant/historian with strong views about allegations of CSA in Jersey (but, oddly, remarkably little to say about CSA in his own country.) <br /><br />Given that the Heath bullshit is back in the media, I've been sniffing around Ian Pace's blog and revisited a thread that Mr Pace put up shortly after the press conference of the falsely accused former MP Harvey Proctor. <br /><br />Looking through the comments, I was embarassed to see that I'd been very rude to Bandini for no good reason - so, for what it's worth, apologies to Bandini for that. <br />tdfhttp://rabbitaway.blogspot.ie/2017/04/savile-accuser-stands-trial.html#comment-formnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-32056794001553477402017-04-14T22:37:01.948+01:002017-04-14T22:37:01.948+01:00http://barthsnotes.com/2015/08/07/ted-heath-allega...http://barthsnotes.com/2015/08/07/ted-heath-allegations-and-conspiracy-theories/<br /><br />tdfhttp://rabbitaway.blogspot.ie/2017/04/savile-accuser-stands-trial.html#comment-formnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-48111582813464601732017-04-13T19:01:12.252+01:002017-04-13T19:01:12.252+01:00Now then now then! Which of you wits (aside from m...Now then now then! Which of you wits (aside from myself) has been commenting on a certain 'offshore' blog of late? :)tdfhttp://rabbitaway.blogspot.ie/2017/04/savile-accuser-stands-trial.html#comment-formnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-84924039265603517592017-04-12T12:28:36.568+01:002017-04-12T12:28:36.568+01:00Our favourite fantasist, liar & chronic attent...Our favourite fantasist, liar & chronic attention seeker is celebrating another milestone in her made-up life: the acquisition of her Senior Railcard (for the over 60s). It's the age of the train!<br /><br />Bandinihttp://rabbitaway.blogspot.com.es/2015/07/jersey-girls.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-50547466537460608952017-04-12T00:25:46.062+01:002017-04-12T00:25:46.062+01:00Thanks, guys.Thanks, guys.Misanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-55875445072360679542017-04-11T22:52:10.246+01:002017-04-11T22:52:10.246+01:00Thanks Bandini - BBC iplayer links are unfortunate...Thanks Bandini - BBC iplayer links are unfortunately no good to those of us who live outside the UK (except for those clever enough to fake IP addresses, which I'm not). tdfhttp://rabbitaway.blogspot.ie/2017/04/savile-accuser-stands-trial.html#comment-formnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-39263569639645669312017-04-11T12:26:33.077+01:002017-04-11T12:26:33.077+01:00Now then, now then, now then! Let´s not sink into ...Now then, now then, now then! Let´s not sink into paranoia & wonder what led a long-standing (I think) YouTube account to be wiped - coincidences DO happen!<br /><br />Instead let's heed Vine's wise words ("It's time to fight back!") and include a new link to another old account & see it this upload fares any better, though video downloaders are available 'just in case'!<br /><br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yl6sWbe_pk" rel="nofollow">BBC drama 'Crimewatch' - get it while it's hot!</a> Bandinihttp://rabbitaway.blogspot.com.es/2016/04/dees-compo-claim.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-21420493120127370312017-04-11T11:55:59.835+01:002017-04-11T11:55:59.835+01:00Misa - re the Crimewatch vid now unavailable on Ba...Misa - re the Crimewatch vid now unavailable on Bandini's link. Here's link to the iplayer !! Just make sure u confirm ur over 15 and take parental child locks off etc etc. Give me fucking strength !!<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/profiles/3bQrSbX50hQNDxyRtbr40G7/operation-hydrant-survivorsRabbitawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07481932585279733096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-27700291854876609062017-04-11T09:32:39.849+01:002017-04-11T09:32:39.849+01:00Quite, tdf. I do suspect that all these things fee...Quite, tdf. I do suspect that all these things feed into the cultural memory and, assuming it wasn't a case of some hack going through every old article and finding stuff they could twist to incriminate him (something I'm no longer willing to rule out), they at least leave little impressions which come to mean something at a later date.<br /><br />'Feared in every girls school in the land,' obviously tied perfectly with the Duncroft claims. Jokes about being a mafioso feed into claims about his behaviour in his nightclub days. And on, and on, and on.<br /><br />We seem to have become a feeble-mined society in which kids who spent their days reading Viz magaine, instead of listening in class, now rule the roost, and our press, police, and even lawyers and judges reason at the same level as Finbarr Saunders. Fnarr fnarr.<br /><br />If you watched the whole of the link Bandini provided at the top of this thread (content seems to have been removed now), you might have noticed that Crimewatch didn't use the word arsonist to describe someone who had deliberately set fire to property, oh no! Presumably that's too difficult/legalistic/uncool. No, they had to use the expression 'Firestarter', ain't that cool, Keef?<br /><br />Heaven help us.Misanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-73526257856413899492017-04-10T23:05:05.095+01:002017-04-10T23:05:05.095+01:00""The first time I ever met him, eight y...""The first time I ever met him, eight years ago, he raved on about all the bodies that came his way in the mortuary at Leeds Infirmary and how he wished he could take the healthy eyes from one and the good bones from another to repair his living patients at Stoke Mandeville. He sounded like Dr Frankenstein."<br /><br />Er, sounds more like someone who recognized the benefits of organ donorship! Is Barber a bloody witness of Jehovah or summat?!?"<br /><br />I wonder if this quote was the origin of the 'Savile took glass eyes from corpses and made a necklace out of them' tale? <br /><br />It's funny how these tales gain currency and become more lurid after each re-telling over the passing decades, like a rolling stone gathers moss.tdfhttp://rabbitaway.blogspot.ie/2017/04/savile-accuser-stands-trial.html#comment-formnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-14195058552872661972017-04-10T10:41:34.978+01:002017-04-10T10:41:34.978+01:00In 1974 Jimmy was being touted to appear in a show...In 1974 Jimmy was being touted to appear in a show called "In My Opinion", which was to be recorded in front of school audiences around the country. Much of this no doubt relates back to Jimmy doing Speakeasy with the BBC vicars.<br /><br />So far as Joanie is concerned, she seems to have been knee-deep in savilisation.<br /><br />"‘These men, people like Jimmy Savile, were treated like rock stars,’ Joan Bakewell said when I asked her about him. ‘And sexually many of those men lived in a self-contained culture.’ Bakewell was working as a studio manager in those days and she saw how available and how willing many of the young people were. ‘People were at the top of their form and many were jubilantly having affairs,’ she says. ‘The homosexual element was murkier. You just didn’t hear about it. We’d drink in the George, round the corner from Broadcasting House. Sensuality lay in drink – those men with red faces... "<br /><br />https://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n21/andrew-ohagan/light-entertainmentMoor Larkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05275057917684784541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-57697115076012438022017-04-10T04:06:14.151+01:002017-04-10T04:06:14.151+01:00Whilst I'm stinking up this thread, I hope Rab...Whilst I'm stinking up this thread, I hope Rabbit will forgive me adding this about Bandini's TV series:<br /><br />There have been several different programmes with the name ‘What’s It All About?” <a href="https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?q=%22what%27s+it+all+about%3F%22#search" rel="nofollow">according to BBC Genome</a> (see below). <br /><br />The one involving Jimmy Savile and Joan Bakewell, appears to have begun life as a Christmas special, with Jim, but without Joan. It was broadcast on Christmas Eve 1972:<br /><br />31 Dec 1972<br />Christmas! What's It All About? <br />A Quiz for Christmas Eve in which you are invited to compete against: <br />Jimmy Savile OBE , Tania Mallett, The Rev David Martin <br />Questionmaster Brian Redhead with an audience of schoolchildren <br />Director ROBERT TONER Producer CECIL KORER <br /><br />Then from 30 December 1973 began a series which ran every Sunday evening at 6.50pm (35mins) until 7 April 1974.<br /><br />30 Dec 1973<br />What's It All About? <br />What do you know about Religion? Not just the Bible and Christianity, but Buddhism, Islam, Shinto, the Jewish faith? <br />Teams from schools all over the country compete against each other helped by this week's guests: <br />Liz Fraser, Jimmy Savile , OBE <br />In the chair Joan Bakewell <br />Director ROBERT TONER <br />Associate producer CLEM VALLANCE <br />Executive producer CECIL KORER <br /><br />Jimmy Savile appeared as one of two guests on each of the first four programmes. The other guest was Liz Frazer or Marjorie Proops (alternating). Joan Bakewell chaired all four shows. Guests in later shows (not featuring JS) were: John Bluthal & Joe Lynch, Ester Rantzen & Peter Maloney, Una Stubbs & Lance Percival, Stacey Doming & John Junkin, Alex Dolphin & Alastair Pirrie, Cind Kent & Peter Maloney. The last few shows were chaired by Michael Flanders.<br /><br />There was a further series in March and April 1975, with guests Dana & Peter Moloney, chaired again by Joan Bakewell, produced by Robert Toner.<br /><br />So, this was a schools quiz show on the theme of religion(s). It may well have offered the chance for the guests to expound, and perhaps could have featured some interrogation by the chair, but it doesn’t appear to be an interview programme. Presumably, over the course of four shows, JS would have had time to offer a number of ‘pearls of wisdom’, and would have had chance to get to know the chairwoman at more than one session in the studio. <br /><br />It’s my impression that Joan Bakewell was primarily a TV person during this period. Does anyone know of her having a newspaper column, or even doing TV interviews, which might have featured JS?<br /><br /><br />BBC Shows called ‘What’s at all About?’ <br />A panel game on the Light Programme in 1954<br />A panel show on BBC TV in 1960<br />*A religious quiz show for schools, on BBC2, in 1972 to 1975<br />A panel show on Radio 4 in 1976<br />A Cilla Black retrospective on Radio 2, in 2003Misanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-7111585850848571372017-04-10T00:13:32.457+01:002017-04-10T00:13:32.457+01:00Good 'eavens, Bandini. Never mind the 1970 thi...Good 'eavens, Bandini. Never mind the 1970 thing, just finding the 1974 programme is splendid surfing. All this time by the ocean is doing you no harm.<br /><br />Now I wonder whether anyone might know anyone who can find such a programme, if it still exists? Is Chris Retro about?<br /><br />If these 'quotes' come from an interview for TV, I wonder whether Ms Barber was working from memory, or working from Joan Bakewell's memory, or there was a transcript, or...well, even if the programme was recorded, it wouldn't have been a strightforward thing to just pop into the Beeb and ask to see it as background for an upcoming interview in 1990, would it?<br /><br />There's a further 'quotation' <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9607133/How-Jimmy-Savile-master-manipulator-evaded-exposure-as-a-paedophile.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, attributed to the interview with Bakewell, which sounds unlikely to have been broadcast. Misanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-31545012369382736922017-04-09T23:48:11.586+01:002017-04-09T23:48:11.586+01:00tdf, funny thing is I really thought there was som...tdf, funny thing is I really thought there was some mention in there of something similar. I had to go and check. My memory plays tricks too.Misanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-52402775999787116042017-04-09T21:22:01.491+01:002017-04-09T21:22:01.491+01:00@misa
You are correct. It appears I have fallen ...@misa <br /><br />You are correct. It appears I have fallen victim to false memory syndrome. Could have sworn the 'Savile spent 5 days with his mum's dead body' story came from the Theroux documentary.tdfhttp://rabbitaway.blogspot.ie/2017/04/savile-accuser-stands-trial.html#comment-formnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-81407415331334886172017-04-09T21:00:04.208+01:002017-04-09T21:00:04.208+01:00So when was George supposed to have been tasered? ...So when was George supposed to have been tasered? Modern electric tasers were introduced in the US in 1994, but the British police didn't get them until 2003, and weren't allowed to use them against unarmed suspects until 2008.<br />Did she ever claim to have been tasered in real life, or was she careful to say that it only happened "in nightmares"?Mrs Grimblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13144324075681694482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-83930690901543082332017-04-09T19:57:56.258+01:002017-04-09T19:57:56.258+01:00(Ignore the above re the 1970 programme. I got hol...(Ignore the above re the 1970 programme. I got hold of the wrong end of the stick.)Bandinihttp://rabbitaway.blogspot.com.es/2016/04/dees-compo-claim.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-67007384421211600412017-04-09T19:48:52.026+01:002017-04-09T19:48:52.026+01:00Misa, that quote is hilarious:
"The first ti...Misa, that quote is hilarious:<br /><br />"The first time I ever met him, eight years ago, he raved on about all the bodies that came his way in the mortuary at Leeds Infirmary and how he wished he could take the healthy eyes from one and the good bones from another to repair his living patients at Stoke Mandeville. He sounded like Dr Frankenstein."<br /><br />Er, sounds more like someone who recognized the benefits of organ donorship! Is Barber a bloody witness of Jehovah or summat?!?<br /><br />I assume the Bakewell interview came from <a href="http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/c9e99e4bc0874bc983fa810c2e1c4c96" rel="nofollow">this tv programme</a>; no sign of it on YouTube though there is an unconnected video from earlier (1970, nothing to do with Savile) "made available for use by the MLJ Trust by the king permission of Dame Joan Bakewell" so wouldn't be surprised if it still exists.<br /><br />Bandinihttp://rabbitaway.blogspot.com.es/2016/04/dees-compo-claim.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7026409546307773708.post-33873315048099361152017-04-09T17:14:27.111+01:002017-04-09T17:14:27.111+01:00all I recall about Bakewell is
1) she was shaggi...all I recall about Bakewell is <br /><br />1) she was shagging Harold Pinter for years on the QT<br /><br />1a) she was generally known as, "the thinking man's crumpet"<br /><br />2) she thinks modern women have too much sex<br /><br />3) she said Jimmy made a pass at her once, so presumably that was when they did the interview. Presumably she din't complain because<br /><br />1) she was flattered<br />2) she was a grown woman and as such, men often made passes at her, unlike nowadays when she is an old Dame.Moor Larkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05275057917684784541noreply@blogger.com