Pages

Thursday 5 September 2019

WHO evidenced Beech's CICA claim ?

I've been contemplating several different blog posts since completing my last. You see I can't leave the subject of Carl Beech's criminal injuries compensation claim alone. I'm not alone, even them that get paid for doing this are querying the fact that this man was given £22,000 of tax payer's money, basically for nothing ! Certainly nothing, in comparison to Karen McPhillip's ordeal !

A mother who cradled her dying son in her arms after he was fatally stabbed has criticised the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority (CICA) for denying her a payout while giving £22,000 to convicted paedophile Carl Beech, aka the fantasist Nick.
Karen McPhillips has had to spend her own money appealing against the decision not to give her a payout on the grounds she was not sufficiently "emotionally involved" in her son Jonathon's death - despite accompanying him in the ambulance and switching off his life support machine.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/04/carl-beechs-compensation-payout-criticised-mother-refused-money/ 

I do NOT know if Savile was named on Beech's claim. How would I ? I've never seen it ! Why haven't I seen it ? This is bothering me big time, because I want to know Wiltshire Police wrote in support of his application, and why ? You see, despite all the - in vogue at the time - believe the victim bull, Wiltshire police had spent hours and hours with Carl Beech, listening to him, watching his body language, probably a lot longer than anyone in Newcastle Crown Court. DS Lewis persevered in a thorough investigation for more than four months and found NO corroborating evidence. NONE ! 

So how did Beech manage to get £22,000 ? Here's the timeline



Always good to check how someone other than Mark Watts describes the same evidence, LIVE !






 Lewis told the court how Beech was reluctant to assist in the investigation of potentially living suspects, initially that is




And, apparently, Lewis made said in court that he had made no note of speaking about compensation during the closure meeting at the end of his investigation.




Mark Watts provides this by way of Lewis's first impressions of Beech as a witness as presented in evidence to the court, the same day






Give him his due DS Lewis followed all leads the best he could.









Now, let's just backtrack a little here in order to establish for exactly how long Beech had been considering claiming compensation, as I think this might help us understand why he didn't claim via the Savile scheme. You see, he could NOT apply for both but I'll come back to that later. 

From Jordan Milne 10th July


Beech takes to the witness box. Badenoch QC begins by looking at Beech’s claim for compensation.



Beech kept a document on his USB stick about reporting child abuse, within this was the CICA scheme. Beech says this was part of a support pack. He says he first became aware of the compensation scheme when his mother fostered children. He knew about it before Wiltshire police.
At first I thought the following said GPS as in ... but it's GP's as in doctor. He never supplied his GP's details in the form ? 

Beech did not enter his GPS details when asked, he says he doesn’t know why that was left off and that he subsequently gave it at a later date. He says he can’t “answer why it isn’t filled in here”.



He says he entered not attending his dentist - despite a broken tooth in other writings of his - he says because this was something he later recollected, not when he was filling in the form.
Obviously the court has access to his claim
In the box asking for injuries sustained, Beech doesn’t mention hospitalisation or fractures that he has previously said he sustained form the abuse. He says he was hospitalised while he was in Wilton and Kingston. He has not set this out in the “additional information”. 
He is finally paid in March 2015 after the Met Police appear to have followed it up for him.


14 March 2015 Beech signs a settlement form claiming £22,000 from the CICA. Badenoch QC says this was 15 months after Beech made his claim. He says between those two dates important things had happened. Beech says he had gone to the Met police in 2014.
 For clarity sake DS Chatfield is one of the two officers in charge of the raid on Harvey Proctor's home. He was also Beech's family or victim liason officer ! Just so you know.


  
 How the hell was he paid at all ? Here's some information about the Criminal Injuries Compensation Application scheme that Beech had been aware of since his mother began fostering kids !!!!

1) There are time limits for claiming. In reality he should NOT have got through just on this, depsite the special circumstances clause.


 He'll definitely fall at this one - on a balance of probabilities to have occurred - really ?
And then there's this useful piece I said I'd come back two. It seems that compensation payments have overlapping rules a bit like welfare benefits do. You can only claim ONE.


Oh and here's how one gets £22,000 in case you want to know


Serious internal injury or mental injury clinically diagnosed by a medically trained psychologist or Psychiatrist ... A counsellor or therapist won't do ! 
Was such evidence obtained ? 
I have no idea. Show me the form someone !
Did DS lewis really find Beech a credible witness in those few months he knew him ? 


And there's the evidence he supplied to the Yewtree hotline before they'd even met. Surely Beech is that ONE Wiltshire entry on the Yewtree graph. Note the discrepency in the number of years he'd claimed to have been abused by Savile to them by comparison to Lewis !




 And - following a Freedom of Information request, we now have even more detail about the Wiltshire One !
 Seven to fifteen ? Lewis did feed back to Operation Yewtree at the end of his investigations. 
Maybe we need to see the initial referral form ? Why the hell do we have to do all this ? 



So, now I want to know for sure if Wiltshire Police or anyone else subsequent to the closure of their investigation, supplied any supportive evidence for Beech's compensation claim. Don't you ? Because, any half-sensible person would only had to sit and listen for a few minutes to Carl Beech to know he is either lying or mad ! 

How on earth did they establish this ?


Even Vera Baird would struggle to believe 'Nick'. Or would she ? Here she is in Newcastle but not during his trial ! Well, it made me smile anyway !!



Next time - Tony Badenoch QC defends Jimmy Savile. Well, sort of !!!! 



Addendum 6th September 2019

Rather than doing another blog post, I thought I'd add the following to this one instead. I did come across this article during my research, but sometimes one gets overwhelmed by the amount of information one collects for subsequent use. Detective Lewis 'backed up his (Beech's) story on the basis of his performance during interviews ?




Beech had gone to Wiltshire police shortly before making his claim. The force took no further action. Even so, what officer in the current climate — when police are encouraged to believe ‘victims’ — would rule out that someone had been abused all those years ago, effectively branding them liars
So when CICA contacted the detective who had interviewed Beech, he backed up his story and said Beech had exhibited a ‘significant degree of psychological suffering’ when he spoke to him. The details emerged during Beech’s trial at Newcastle Crown Court, where he was convicted of fraud and perverting the course of justice on Monday.

Let me just play that sentence back, just in case I didn't emphasise it enough -

Even so, what officer in the current climate — when police are encouraged to believe ‘victims’ — would rule out that someone had been abused all those years ago, effectively branding them liars ?

Indeed !   








12 comments:

  1. It was said in court that CICA sought guidance direct from the Chief Constable of Wilts, who at the time was.... Mike Veale.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/21/cleveland-police-chief-mike-veale-resigns

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Where does it say this ? I can't see it in that article Moor

      Delete
    2. Trial tweets
      https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a2XvYLyhiTQ/XUEhTvAArFI/AAAAAAAAMwg/34sGH0iKxB0OlMZNNaJmtaZmNOvzM_xagCLcBGAs/s1600/image003.jpg

      The article referenced was to illustrate what Veale did next.

      Delete
  2. I think compensation should be abolished for historic abuse cases, including for counselling. His wild tales aside, it's clear that if Beech was "seeking compensation for fees for counselling" (Jordan Milne, 17 May) and spent it on a car, the system is open to abuse. Even if he'd been genuine, it's hard to see how the authorities could ensure that vast sums of cash were actually spent on counselling. Even counsellors might be tempted to play the system and encourage clients to claim compensation, especially if they're not regulated and maybe even if they are.

    A quick look at the register of therapists on the BACP (British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy) website suggests that counselling sessions start at 35 pounds. 22,000 divided by 35 gives 628 sessions. If one assumes that a client has one session every week, that would keep them going in therapy for 12 years.

    I wonder if he kept up his counselling when in Sweden, or if the counselling was just a ruse to enable him to hone his story and try to make him seem genuine when he did go to the authorities.

    ReplyDelete
  3. Funny how Beech was paying for his counseling. Obviously, he was in a hurry and couldn't wait the usual two years for an appointment on the NHS !

    ReplyDelete
  4. And before anyone says it. I'm well aware he'd been in and out of counseling for various reasons since 1989. The latest bout began in Feb 2012. No wonder he didn't want to produce his GP notes !

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Was there any issue with his ability to pay for his counselling? If a patient owed money to their counseller, then I suppose it might be in the interests of the counsellor to support the patient in seeking a conviction and compensation.

      Delete
    2. I'd have to check exactly what he said in regards to whether he owed her money or not. I doubt it and I certainly cannot imagine that she'd support him just for that reason.

      Delete
    3. I don't want to cause you extra work here, Rabbit, and I should have kept these two things separate.

      Delete
  5. I saw a twitter exchange Beech had, once, in which he was sympathising with those on long waiting lists for counselling, and saying that he knew he was fortunate in having sufficient means to pay privately for his.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Be interesting to see if those tweets still exist !

      Delete
    2. Beech's wouldn't. He tweeted as Carl Chassereau, then Carl Survivor but his twitter account has been deleted. The other side of his twitter conversations may well do.

      Delete